ULTRARUNNING · BOB & KJ · 42 EPISODES
You Said 100Miles?.
An Ultrarunning Podcast
LATEST · April 30, 2026
YS100M? Hyner Recap (or: Bob Wore Two Watches)Bob and KJ reconvene to recap the Hyner 50K — Paul left it all out there at 6:06, Elliot had a solid day, KJ ran his fastest Hyner ever despite a deeply unwise dive bar pizza the night before, and Bob rolled his ankle at mile 4, kicked the other foot into a rock, ran out of water, and DNF’d at mile 16. Allegedly while wearing two watches. The cake table at the finish line is real, and SOB Hill earned its name. Also on deck: Bob tours the First Division Museum at Cantigny, KJ paces Motivation Theory Running to a big PR at the C&O Canal 100, then walks up the AT to Jefferson’s Rock, lipoprotein(a), KJ pitches a fix the Western States lottery and Bob counters with an Olympic-style qualifier race (held at Hyner, naturally). Bob previews a new feature for ChatDNF that might actually be useful for people to come out soon, maybe. Until then, go write your DNF story at https://chatdnf.com. You Said 100 Miles now has a website: https://yousaid100miles.com Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at https://www.teampumaknife.com, including Subtle Interference on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. Theme song courtesy of Pommelsmith — https://pommelsmith.bandcamp.com
All episodes
42 TOTAL
S3 · EP 21
YS100M? Saunter by the Sea (feat. Jada Freer)
Bob’s back from the Field Museum, KJ has strong opinions about water parks, and special guest Jada Freer joins fresh off running the Badwater Cape Fear 50K to give us the full debrief — hectic travel, dolphin sightings, golf cart navigation failures, and a trail section that was genuinely not built for tall people. Also: Creeper Socks get their moment, bib boards get a serious policy discussion, the Saunter Triple Crown is born, Jada’s safety pin sock system is revealed and immediately causes chaos, Cocodona is moving to a lottery, and KJ is outfitting a Starlink backpack for Badwater 135 crewing duties. If you DNF’d a race and need someone to process it for you, check out ChatDNF.com . Bob built it. It might sting a little. You Said 100 Miles now has a website: yousaid100miles.com Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. Theme song courtesy of Pommelsmith . Theme song courtesy of Pommelsmith
S3 · EP 20
YS100M? The Dead of February
Bob’s ailments, KJ’s coaching, and much discussion about how Bob is an old man who hates social media. You Said 100 Miles now has a website! https://yousaid100miles.com . You can finally get in touch with us! Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife Theme song courtesy of Pommelsmith
S3 · EP 19
YS100M? The Return of Sass – But at What Cost???
Sass returns and Erica joins for a random episode about a very hot TV show. Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife Theme song courtesy of Pommelsmith
S3 · EP 18
YS100M? St Croix Debrief
Special Guests Oak Miller and Steve Tursi join Bob and KJ to talk about their race at the 2026 St. Croix 40 Winter Ultra, including our very interesting experience having a Juicy Lucy before the race. Museum lovers fear not, there is much talk about Paisley Park at the end! Some alternate title suggestions from the AI: The Great St. Croix Saunter: A Winter Adventure From DNF to Victory: The St. Croix Saunter Experience Winter Ultra Shenanigans: Gear, Burgers, and Friendship Roller Coasters and Race Prep: A Winter Ultra Journey Surviving the Chill: Insights from a Winter Ultra Marathon Sledding Shenanigans: Tales from the Trail Headlamps and Hills: A Journey of Endurance Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife Theme song courtesy of Pommelsmith
S3 · EP 17
YS100M? Ten Jumbo Miles
Scott Kummer of Ten Junk Miles joins Bob & Kevin to recap the 14th Annual Torchy’s Run and talk about winter ultras in advance of Bob & Kevin wandering in the snow at the St. Croix 40 winter ultra next month. There is museum chat, professional wrestling chat, and Kevin gives us his breakdown of the Taco Bell 50K and the Devil Dog 100. Please consider making a donation to Band of Runners here: https://donorbox.org/14th-annual-torchy-s-taco-run Check out the Ten Junk Miles podcast available on the your favorite podcast platform, or find it here: https://tenjunkmiles.libsyn.com/website Come run one of the TJM races in 2016! Registration is open for all 3 races: Sugar Badger: https://ultrasignup.com/register.aspx?did=127092 Badger: https://ultrasignup.com/register.aspx?did=128933 Dot’s Last Standing: https://ultrasignup.com/register.aspx?did=130317 Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife Theme song courtesy of Pommelsmith
S3 · EP 16
YS100M? Chat the Tangents
Bob & Kevin had almost no planned topics and somehow still got sidetracked, a lot. Kevin blindsides Bob with a complex question about iconic ultras. Please excuse my hoarse voice. Please consider making a donation to Band of Runners here: https://donorbox.org/14th-annual-torchy-s-taco-run Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife Theme song courtesy of Pommelsmith
S3 · EP 15
YS100M? 2 Hundos and a 5K, and Pie
Paul Fortunato returns to share his tale of his recent finish at the No Business 100. Kevin talks about his finish at the Rim to River 100. Bob details his failure to beat his neighbor at a local 5K. We also have some opinions about Pie. Please consider making a donation to Band of Runners here: https://donorbox.org/14th-annual-torchy-s-taco-run Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife Theme song courtesy of Pommelsmith
S3 · EP 14
YS100M? The Foiled Secret 100
KJ ran Woodstock Warrior, we crewed the Wasatch 100, I volunteered at Last dot Standing, KJ convinced Bob to buy Janji and we both have a museum story (kind of) & more! Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife
S3 · EP 13
YS100M? Out of Order
So, we thought this would come out before the swap cast – we were wrong Injuries, GLP-1’s, Costco, Dry Needling, 100 mile pace groups, and carbon plated walking boots? Bob’s TeamRMHC (Ronald McDonald House Charities) fundraising link: https://give.rmhc.org/fundraiser/5879512 Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife
S3 · EP 12
YS100M? Where’s the Finish?
Over Badger weekend Bob and KJ sat down with Joe, Shae, and Kevin of the Where’s the Finish? podcast. This is a swap cast! If you listened to this episode on the WTF? feed this is the same one, but we certainly appreciate if you download it from here too! Where’s the finish podcast: https://www.wheresthefinishpodcast.com Bob’s TeamRMHC (Ronald McDonald House Charities) fundraising link: https://give.rmhc.org/fundraiser/5879512 Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife
S3 · EP 11
YS100M? Binoculars
The Volo Museum, Kettle Moraine 2025, great aid station items, and bad (great) ideas. Bob’s TeamRMHC (Ronald McDonald House Charities) fundraising link: https://give.rmhc.org/fundraiser/5879512 Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife
S3 · EP 10
YS100M? Real Runners?
Special, special guest Paul Fortunato joins us to defend his honor as a runner after finishing the Potawatomi Trail Races 200. Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife
S3 · EP 9
YS100M? KJ Is Better than the Rest of Us
Back to our regular schedule after we had to cancel last month’s episode (thanks KEVIN). We meander a bit on this one, but don’t worry, we hit Museums and tablets, just what you were coming here for! We discuss a pair of runs around Washington D.C. and Manhattan in this episode, if you’d like to follow along with the route description find the maps here: https://www.racetheperimeter.com Bob and Kevin have a lovely chat about the Field Museum in Chicago. Do we talk about running at all? Only one way to find out! If you’re downloading today, a reminder that the Swammie Shuffle is going on right now with runners on day 5! To support the Swammie Shuffle and help out some extraordinary organizations doing great work to help our veterans and their families please consider a donation to Awareness N Action https://awarenessnaction.org/ and Mission 22 https://mission22.com/ . Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife
S3 · EP 8
YS100M? Museum Chat
Bob and Kevin have a lovely chat about the Field Museum in Chicago. Do we talk about running at all? Only one way to find out! If you’re downloading today, a reminder that the Swammie Shuffle is going on right now with runners on day 5! To support the Swammie Shuffle and help out some extraordinary organizations doing great work to help our veterans and their families please consider a donation to Awareness N Action https://awarenessnaction.org/ and Mission 22 https://mission22.com/ . Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife
S3 · EP 7
YS100M? Five ten, and a half.
Ice in Virginia, Swammie Shuffle, running clothes, KJ ran a fatass 50k, long run nutrition, Bob’s recovery, and wrap it up with some takes on the WSER lottery, because we can’t help ourselves. To support the Swammie Shuffle and help out some extraordinary organizations doing great work to help our veterans and their families please consider a donation to Awareness N Action https://awarenessnaction.org/ and Mission 22 https://mission22.com/ . Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife
S3 · EP 6
YS100M? & Motivation Theory Running
John Krause, creator of the long running Motivation Theory Running YouTube channel, joins Bob & Kevin to chat about his experience at the Devil Dog 100 and his life in ultras. Check out Motivation Theory Running on YouTube – Motivation Theory Running – YouTube Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife Theme song courtesy of Pommelsmith
S3 · EP 5
YS100M? – Stuff You Can Buy Us
Will Kevin run Devil Dog 100? What are our favorite gear items? Are the recent Strava changes to the API actually an issue? Why don’t we have more heels in pro ultrarunning? Bob and Kevin kind of answer some of these questions. Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife Theme song courtesy of Pommelsmith
S3 · EP 4
YS100M? – Not Running 100s
Bob & Kevin talk about how neither one of them have actually run 100 miles since the last episode. We cover Kevin’s experience at the cancelled Yeti 100 and a little experiment Bob did under the radar. Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife Theme song courtesy of Pommelsmith
S3 · EP 3
YS100M? – Run Rabbit Run
If you’re going up, you’re going the right way. Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife Theme song courtesy of Pommelsmith
S3 · EP 2
YS100M? – KJ Does Leadville
Steve Tursi joins Bob and Kevin for a breakdown of the 2024 Leadville 100, which Kevin ran and Steve crewed. All hail the CRP! Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife Theme song courtesy of Pommelsmith
S3 · EP 1
YS100M? – The Return?
Join Bob and Kevin Jordan on a meandering conversation about each other’s running lives for the past few months since we last were on air, including recent races for both of us and our upcoming races at Leadville for Kevin and Run Rabbit Run for Bob. My apologies in advance for the bad audio quality on my channel. It sounded fine to me in ear, but I guess it was recording off of my webcam mic instead of my good mic. Won’t happen again, probably. Check out the other Team Puma Knife Podcasts at www.teampumaknife.com , including Subtle Interference which you can find on Spotify and Apple Podcasts or download directly here: SubtleInterference – Team Puma Knife Theme song courtesy of Pommelsmith
S2 · EP 5
Elliott Beech Survives the HURT 100
Six months after his first ever hundred at Badger, Elliott Beech flew to Oahu and finished the HURT 100 — Hawaii's brutally rooty, mud-and-river-crossing, 50-percent-DNF cult classic — in 35 hours flat with what may have been a torn ankle ligament from mile 13. He talks training for vert as a Mississippi flatlander, what Goggins gets misread on, and the bellman who had no idea what he'd just done.
S2 · EP 4
Bandera 100K Recap From Austin
Live from Austin, TX, Bob debriefs Bandera with Jada Freer, Chris Prairie, and Darrick Hartman. They cover sotol cuts, the rocky Texas Hill Country sunset, a "hamburger feet" stranger pulled out of a dark place by conversation, and Chris's homemade Homer-bucket drop bag system. Plus practical tips on consistency, pace cards, and respecting the rules race directors fight to keep.
S2 · EP 3
The Finale and the BSS Degree
Bob and Sass reunite for what was always meant to be the end of the line — and it opens with an unhinged bit about future universities awarding Bob and Sass Studies PhDs. Bob recaps bonking hard at the Door County Fall 50, talks Bandera prep and an ill-fated salt strategy, while Sass plots her revenge on lap swimming for an upcoming snorkeling trip. A proper sign-off with the door cracked for whatever comes next.
S2 · EP 2
Kevin Jordan and the Great DNF Episode
Kevin Jordan — Western States finisher, three-time Badger podium guy, and self-described ultra-running cryptid — stops by to talk about the races that didn't go to plan. Eastern States, the Swami Shuffle 220, and a recent Devil Dog DNF after ten straight 100-mile finishes. It's an honest look at how busted hamstrings, FOMO signups, and the body saying "no more" hit even the most experienced runners.
S2 · EP 1
Shae Merritt on Volunteering, Vol State, and the TGM Family
The first guest episode finally lands. Bob and Sass sit down with Shae Merritt — Vol State 500K finisher, two-time Badger 100 vet, and Painted Horse Urban Ultra race director — to swap stories from working the Orangeville aid station: bra-quesadillas, Malort shots, midnight margaritas, and gruesome blister triage. Plus a rant on UTMB at Whistler and a plug for showing up for independent race directors.
S1 · EP 15
101 Miles, Pickle Man, and a Belt Buckle
He did it. Bob recaps every gnarly, glorious mile of the Badger 100 — the blisters that bloomed at mile 10 and never quit, a seven-minute dirt nap in the grass, sleep-running while Paul held his hand, hallucinations of giant spiders, Roman aqueducts, and a friendly Pickle Man on the side of the trail. Thirty-plus hours later he crossed the line, collected an "Over 30 Hours" buckle that means more than the regular one, and finally exhaled.
S1 · EP 14
Badger Eve, Go Time
Three days out from the Badger 100. Bob walks through the whole plan: the binder he built for his crew (brother Mikey, pacer Paul, and Lindsay), the sweat tests that pegged him at 1.5 liters an hour, the three-bottle hydration scheme, the heel-and-big-toe taping job, and the mantra he's chosen — don't be a dummy in the first half, don't be a wimp in the second. Plus a long, honest riff on the marketing of marathons and why you don't owe anyone a hundred miles.
S1 · EP 13
Western States and a Banged-Up Ankle
Three weeks out from Badger, Bob recaps crewing and pacing his buddy Kevin Jordan at Western States — the giraffe-themed crew shirts, the Olympic-village pageantry, the 30-hour cutoff drama — then comes home to a tweaky ankle that wipes out his peak training week. Sass falls hard for vinyl records (blame Ten Junk Miles), and the two of them land somewhere unexpected: maybe running doesn't have to be medicine anymore. Maybe it can just be fun.
S1 · EP 12
Why Broken People Run Ultras
Heads up: this one goes deep. Bob covers the lighter stuff first — volunteering at Sugar Badger in a hot dog costume, pacing his buddy Paul at Kettle Moraine 100 — and then opens up about the trauma underneath the training: his daughter Izzy's NICU stay, an ADHD diagnosis that should have come decades earlier, and losing his mom to addiction. It's the "why" episode. Content warning for addiction, loss, and mental health; SAMHSA hotline at the top. Links & Resources SAMHSA National Helpline — 1-800-662-HELP (4357), 24/7 mental health and substance use referral line Bob mentions at the top Ronald McDonald House Charities — supports families with hospitalized children; Bob and Erica stayed at one during Izzy's surgery
S1 · EP 11
Ice Age 50K and the Finish-Line Cry
Bob unpacks the Ice Age 50K — a hilly Wisconsin trail race where he PR'd in 7:17 despite blowing his nutrition plan, walking three miles after a hard crash, and getting carried home by Bad Romance blasting at the start-finish. Then things get real: post-race nausea, a 10-minute wave of loneliness sitting alone on the ground, and a pretty honest conversation with Sass about weight, heat, and finding your people in the trail community.
S1 · EP 10
Sub-Two and a Ferry Ride
Sass got sick (again) and missed the 5K, so Bob bumped up to a half — and finally cracked the sub-two-hour barrier in teen-degree cold on a course that turned out to be a tenth long. Then he flew to Washington for a stupid-pretty rainforest 50K put on by a friend, took the ferry across Puget Sound, and rediscovered why timed races are just more fun. Plus: super shoes, BOAs, and why podiatrists evidently know jack about running shoes.
S1 · EP 9
The Gio Rivalry
A quieter month between races, but plenty to chew on: Bob lays out the build to Badger 100 — Ice Age 50K, a 5K with Sass, and the Wonderland Trail bucket-list daydream — while Sass figures out whether her back will let her line up at all. Then they hatch an extremely unserious psychological-warfare plan to beat a Coloradan named Gio at Badger, complete with hiding behind trees and shouting about his mother.
S1 · EP 8
The St. Croix Sled
Bob's first winter ultra ended in a DNF — but for very different reasons than Tunnel Hill. He walks Sass through the required gear list (bivy, zero-degree bag, 3,000 untouched emergency calories), the warm-then-mushy snow that turned every step into a slog, and the moment around mile 11 when he asked himself why he was out there and didn't love the answer. Plus: pull-tire training, donut races, and a 10-mile run for fried shrimp.
S1 · EP 7
The DNF at Fifty
Bob came to Tunnel Hill knocked down by flu, missing his bib, missing his tent stakes, missing a winter jacket — and missing sleep. He recaps how a brutal week, a forgotten salt-pill stash, and a hip and knee that quit at mile 43 turned a 100-mile goal into a DNF at mile 50. It's an honest postmortem on the dropped race, the decision he doesn't regret, and the badger-shaped target already on next year's calendar.
S1 · EP 6
Sixteen Days Out
Sixteen days from Tunnel Hill, Bob recaps a 40-minutes-faster Chicago Marathon, an unplanned 50 miles at Last Dot Standing, an overnight aid-station shift fueled by a half-cup of Malort and a Wisconsin fish fry, and the lonely last lap where he sang Hamilton to himself to stay sane. Sass has questions, foam-rolling confessions, and a healthy fear of the icy weeks ahead.
S1 · EP 5
A Thyroid Curveball Before Chicago
Two weeks out from the Chicago Marathon, Bob's body has been screaming for weeks and he finally finds out why: a routine physical, an unexpected anti-TPO blood test, and a fresh subclinical hypothyroidism diagnosis with hormone replacement starting today. He and Sass talk through what it means for Tunnel Hill, why a tired Adderall-fueled summer might've masked it, Sass's plantar fasciitis revenge plot, and the dream of running a half marathon through Italy with a baguette.
S1 · EP 4
Dew Point, Burger King, and Race Blues
Bob and Sass reconvene after the Christmas in July sufferfest to unpack a 21-hour, 100K death march through 86-degree heat and a dew point that refused to drop. Burger King at midnight, a near heat-stroke timeout, a lightning-chased final lap, and three big lessons about shoes, legs, and pacing. Plus: a full survey of the world's stupidest winter ultras, ending in talk of running across the frozen Bering Sea.
S1 · EP 3
Solo Debrief — 100K in a Sauna
Sass is out, so Bob flies solo for a quick technical breakdown of Christmas in July: blisters by mile 30, a shoe-walk mismatch nobody warned him about, mid-90s heat with a dew point that wouldn't quit, and a final lap chased by lightning to clinch the 100K. A short, nerdy field report on what worked, what failed, and what's coming back to Tunnel Hill.
S1 · EP 2
Failing vs. Quitting
A 24-hour race called Christmas in July is three days out, the forecast is a brutal 90 degrees with possible rain, and Bob is packing four pairs of shoes and a copy of Fixing Your Feet. He and Sass dig into loop-course logistics, real-food fueling, the unexpectedly chill ultra crowd, and the bigger question pushing him to a hundred miles: how do you find the line between actually failing and just quitting?
S1 · EP 1
What the F*** Did I Do?
Bob signed up for the Tunnel Hill 100 in November and somehow has to train for it without losing his mind. He and Sass kick off the series by tracing how a guy who couldn't run two minutes in 2020 ended up registered for a hundred-mile race, the Brooks-to-Hoka shoe pipeline, why the ultra community is unreasonably nice to strangers, and the Relentless Forward Progress training plan that's about to eat his summer.
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